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Hopper - sorry that wasn't meant to be curt.
I think its suggestions in progress and not cut and dried yet. I hope that at the end of it we should be able to raise more money - without it being hard work for anyone - once we have best practise in place.

I agree, it just looks like it's going to take some time and brain power to get things up and running but then good things never come easy do they

We will get there people! Have faith!

But my rescue doesnt run with just one vet, I have a few UK wide due to animals being in foster care homes further a field. Some of the vets arent the easiest to get along with and just getting the damm invoices sent out is hard enough.

Also i got the impression RHU are wanting to see printed off proof from a document, so we have to get one off vets then scan on to pc??

Jod wrote:I agree, it just looks like it's going to take some time and brain power to get things up and running but then good things never come easy do they

We will get there people! Have faith!

Nice post. Please everyone try to see there are reasons for this and we've all got to work through the suggestions to try and something out that is achieveable for everybody so that when people donate, it can be in good faith.

We're the same Hopper. We have fosterers all over the UK and so have numerous vets all over too. Maybe you should ask for volunteers to help you with fundraising or attend events maybe?

Sorry to go a bit off topic but Hopper sounds like they need help.

Aren't many the same who come on here?
I don't think there are any large rescues who would be applying for help with funding are there? Most of the people on here that are struggling are the same and almost all will be having dogs needing vet treatment at one-off vets? I know we do too - but I manage the bills fine.

So whats the progress on this - it seems to be slipping by

i think applications would work well, and perhaps guidelines of who can apply maybe?

ie no offence but rspca branch couldnt or wood green

I think all it takes is a few pics of the animal concerned don't you?

I totally agree with you - places like rspca branches and large rescues who have money in the bank - not a chance, because they have obv. got people who are already fund raising for them.

this fund is for the rescues that come onto RHU and that regularly take in dogs that are in crisis. Or for those that are constantly helping dogs in pounds who always have vet fees.

What can we do to start and progress this then Admin?

Rainrescue wrote:I think all it takes is a few pics of the animal concerned don't you?

I totally agree with you - places like rspca branches and large rescues who have money in the bank - not a chance, because they have obv. got people who are already fund raising for them.

this fund is for the rescues that come onto RHU and that regularly take in dogs that are in crisis. Or for those that are constantly helping dogs in pounds who always have vet fees.

What can we do to start and progress this then Admin?

Lots of small rescues come on here who consistently take dogs in danger of being put to sleep and incur kennelling fees and potential vet expenses and who are all run by volunteers on a shoe string. These are the type of rescues who need fundraising help IMO.

Obviously would have to be some sort of vetting proceedure but we all are aware on here of the consistency of the smaller rescues on RHU. Obviously any rescue wishing to be included would need to abide by normal rescue rules of homecheck neutering etc and perhaps anybody new applying to join the scheme would have to have a period of time on the board, during which their commitment was seen, and perhaps have a "homecheck" done at the kennels (if used) by an experienced homechecker.

Just some suggestions

well it would be handy to have money in an rhu account first lol

I thought there was around £150 in there from Phil's photo comp?

mole wrote:Obviously any rescue wishing to be included would need to abide by normal rescue rules of homecheck neutering etc and perhaps anybody new applying to join the scheme would have to have a period of time on the board, during which their commitment was seen, and perhaps have a "homecheck" done at the kennels (if used) by an experienced homechecker.

Good idea

Rainrescue wrote:
The ideas are good here - TBH Any rescue who is helping out and who regularly uses the forum - will always have vets fees of their own. Ok - so dogs may move on - but as long as the money is paid to the vet directly - then that will stay there for the next castration/neuter/emergency treatment that the rescue may need. Not perfect - but a comfort blanket.

Please also bear in mind, rescues should always have a fall back plan, money wise for emergency situations. RHU donations shouldn't be relied upon as a source to justify taking animals into rescues care. We are an added bonus if you like

That would work for rescues that use the same vets all of the time but there are lots of rescues that don't. Yes you're right Julie rescues should have funds in to cover costs of the animals in their care.

Michelle

Any other ideas?

So - what can we do to move this forward?

Can admin have a look at it, maybe merge the threads where many members are proposing that we as members all do try to raise central funds.

Who they go out to - and how thats monitored can be looked at when we get our first £500? maybe?
this has gone on for so long now, who is it that can actually make a decision please?

Quite late to this thread so sorry if it has already been mentioned, but can folk maybe not use the JustGiving site - you can set up payment to go to pretty much anywhere legit, and you get a ticker, and also gift aid. Might not always work but it might sometimes !

We looked at using Justgiving but it would cost us £15.00 per month i think it is, and we didn't think we would get that much money donated to us from it.

Its ok for the larger charities who are well known to use it, or someone who is organising and promoting a big event or something, but for small groups - and also non reg. charities - its another pain i think

good idea tho

The original thread i started was for a particular animal in distress/ rescues requesting monies for said animal, for vet fees to be, hopefully, donated by generous RHU members, vet quotes to be included and ticker counter.

I'm still listening ....

Good one Julie - so where do we go from here do you think?

Back to the template on the first post i made. If any rescues wish to ask for RHU donations/pledges for a said animal, this is the least we expect. If rescue face difficulties with this request then staff are at hand to help at all times.

So if folk wish to donate, would it be ad hoc, or maybe a SO - so you had funds there if needed - I would plump for the latter myself, even if everyone did say £20 a month - would that work ?

I think it needs to be a regular small amount by a lot of people - if people wanted to give more - then that would be fantastic - but nobody is pressured into any value at all.

But if we asked the 1500 members on here, if they would be prepared to give £2.00 pcm - by standing order, and add Gift Aid, that would add an extra 28p to every pound if the person was a tax payer.
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Personally I can't see vets wanting to administer anything except their own bills & I can't see why the forum needs / wants to do so either?

To me, it's simple a rescue has a dog, cat or whatever other animal that needs help and a vet that will provide it.

If they need to appeal for help they do so & any member can choose to support that appeal or not.

If the rescue ends up with more money than they needed I don't have a problem with that providing it's used for the next needy animal - anyone who thinks that all of the major charities aren't operating in exactly that manner is just deluding themselves!

I wouldn't however personally knowingly give any money I did have to give to any third party appeal pot - there will probably always be more animals in need than I can afford to help so to me it then just enables them to decide which dog I will or wont help with my money - why should I do that when I can retain that decision myself?

ian i agree to an extent decision wise, but many people in the past have been conned for want of a better word?

this way if it was done via rhu rhu would no how much money has been sent to the individual rescues, making sure that the smaller ones that really struggle, ones that take on poundies or whatever would stand more of a chance.

Vets won't give a report before treatment commences. The cost side can change so quickly. Just as an example Sandy the lab just had to have his spleen removed. We were quoted £300 and the bill actually came through at £650.86. There are some costs still to come through from follow up visits since.

So some of your template is fine but not all of it would work.

Vets aren't great on the admin side of things. Some of the time they won't set up an account and want to be paid on the spot. We deal with a number of vets like that. I have to ring them and give the debit card info. There is no way any of the vets we deal with would be happy with lots of payments coming through to pay off one bill.

It would work better if funds were given to the RHU pot and then when the donations cease send them to the rescue concerned. Or come to an agreement adhoc if the rescue happens to have no funds in to pay the bill,as some I guess would need it sooner. (Although any rescue taking a dog in should have funds to cover any eventuality and this actually should be helping them to be able to take in future dogs).

This all on the understanding that the rescue produces a copy of the vets bill to prove the amount of money spent on a particular dog. Most invoices by the way just give the name of the dog and don't state the breed so you wouldn't necessarily have proof of breed of dog etc. But it should be in the name of the rescue so you would know they had actually incurred costs of that amount.

I can only give examples from our experiences but I'm sure many rescues probably would hit the same kind of issues.